Grateful Dead Live at Old Renaissance Faire Grounds on 1972-08-27
- Live concert
- Grateful Dead
- DeadLists Project
Set II: Playin' in the Band, He's Gone, Jack Straw, Bird Song, Greatest Story Ever Told
Set III: Dark Star> El Paso, Sing Me Back Home, Sugar Magnolia, E1: Casey Jones, E2: Saturday Night
The songs from the reels were originally edited down to DAT very
tightly, almost no banter is present in this version.
Known Flaws: the first few notes of Sugar Magnolia were missing
and were patched in from the circulating Gans CD source.
The following spots were edited using pencil tool in Soundforge
(small bits of analog static removed):
d1t1, 2:18 - left channel click - smoothed, still slightly audible
d1t1, 2:20-2:23 - left channel static - smoothed, still slightly
d1t06, 2:12 - pop - fixed
d2t01, 14:28 - right channel crackle - fixed
d2t05, 3:37 - right channel click - fixed
d2t05, 4:13 right channel click - fixed
d2t05, 04:18 - right channel static - smoothed, still audible
d2t05, 04:45 - right channel static - fixed
d2t05, 04:00-05:00 - some other static, smoothed, but still audible
d2t05, 5:05 - right channel click- still slightly audible
d3t01, 0:28 - two right channel clicks - fixed
d3t01, 0:38 - right channel click - fixed
d3t01, 8:06, 8:11 - right channel crackles - fixed
d3t01, 26:29 - right channel click - fixed
There are a few other minor analog anomalies that were left alone:
d1t01, 2:02 click in right channel
d1t01, 2:26 slight pop
d1t07, 3:48 click
d2t01, 6:00 faint click
d2t04, 10:12 pop
d2t05, 3:36 click
d2t05, 3:42 click
d3t01, 28:24 click
d3t04, 5:10-7:50 intermittent analog buzzing in right channel
There's probably some more to be found, however, all are quite minor
- 2004-04-12 14:37:45
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Subject: Hot as a pistol...
ALL SUMMER IN A DAY.
Subject: The weather is hot, the band is hot
Subject: Great show but...
I sometimes put this show on and often I feel like I’m just hearing announcements
When they finally play it’s pretty stellar
Subject: Still the best Bird Song I've ever heard
It had only been less than two years since Janis died and you can feel it in every note of Bird Song.
Every time someone cleans it up and posts it, it's almost like hearing it for the first time again :) So a big thank you to the audiophiles who know what they're doing! Keep doing it!
Subject: Hot and sticky
Subject: I Guess It Doesn't Matter Anyway
Always loved this show. The weather is hot -> the band is hot.
With the possible exception of I Know You Rider, the song selection is perfectly back and forth between Bobby and Jerry. The only possible misfire in the song selection (in my humble opinion) is the Dark Star->El Paso.
Should have been a Morning Dew. You can hear Jerry trying to make it happen but Bobby isn't having any of it. So what might have been the best Morning Dew ever becomes a rather ordinary version of El Paso. So it goes! Take what you need.
Added note to CEK Feb 2015: you forgot Xhol Caravan, the great German band from the late 60s/early 70s, who regularly improvised their way into some very groovy Dead-like territory (without guitar solos!); and, of course, the legendary Gong (who, along with the Dead and the Pink Fairies, contributed the best sides to the Glastonbury Fayre 3LP). Keep on trippin', international hippie freaks everywhere.
Subject: Not enough dongs
In related news, The Playin In The Band is a rampaging hurricane. One of those jams that makes you realize why Sonic Youth and My Bloody Valentine cite him as an influence. I've often wondered if the Dead were turned onto the freakier progressive/psychedelic rock coming out of Europe and South America around this era which put the vast majority of American music to shame. Sure, the Dead and the Velvet Underground could wig out with the best of them, but beyond them you're hard pressed to find Americans who could hold a candle to the dense psychedelic masterpieces being cranked out of France and Germany on a weekly basis. The dissonant cyclones Garcia unleashes in this jam hints that he's turned on to the King Crimsons, Soft Machines, Clusters, Ash Ra Temples, Magmas, etc. I wonder if the shared lineage tracing back to Stockhausen allowed the Dead to dose out listening to Ege Bamyasi or Neu! before most American heads even realized that music was progressing way beyond the lemon drops and peppermints psychedelia of the 60s?
The Dead were rampaging through Europe right as it was having it's first huge year on the weird music scene.
America's big contributions were via jazz, Miles dropping On The Corner, Ornette with Science Fiction, Mtume Umoja Ensemble 's Land of the Blacks, Alice Coltranes World Galaxy, Pharaoh Sanders with Black Unity, Donald Byrd's Ethiopian Knights, McCoy Tyner's Sahara.. tons of stuff on Strata-East and Black Jazz proving anyone who said jazz died in the 70s is deaf or a liar..Their transcendental repetition reflecting back what was going on across the Atlantic from Fela Kuti in Nigeria to Kraftwerk in Germany, setting the stage for a whole new repetitive, rhythmic form of expression that would dominate the next 40 years of music. Oh, and Steve Reich's Drumming. The god of minimalism. Mind melting.
In Germany 72 was the year krautrock went for broke with Tangerine Dream, Ash Ra Tempel, Can, Neu!, Out of Focus, Agitation Free, Grobschnitt, Twenty Six Six And Then, Popul Vuh, Embryo, Amon Duul II, Faust, Klaus Schulze, releasing masterpieces. Italy discovered their own mindbending sound with the romantic avant-garde tinged symphonic progressive music of Le Orme, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Il Balletto di Bronzo, Alan Sorrenti.. England had King Crimson putting in their chip for the "best band in the world" title (which they probably won for a few months here and there a couple times) and a lot of other bands followed the Dead's lead (probably not consciously) looking towards folky fantasy with Genesis, Gentle Giant, Hawkwind, Khan, Uriah Heep, Strawbs, Jethro Tull, Wishbone Ash, Soft Machine had just came with Fifth and Pink Floyd just dropped Echoes and blew everyones brains even if they had no idea of the crazy music going on under the surface.
And then France, ah France. Catherine Ribeiro + Alpes with folk music that made Workingman's Dead feel about as psychedelic as the Smothers Brothers, Moving Gelatine Plates came with the World of Genius Hans, imo one of the 25 best albums ever made. like trippy music? listen to THAT! Jean-Claude Vannier's L'enfant assassin des mouches" taking the work he did with Serge Gainsbourg and blowing it up to bizarre lysergic sex dream proportions, Arachnoid's terrifying space jams weren't released until 1979 but were recorded around this time, the pastoral sounds of Atoll mirroring what Genesis and their ilk were up to in the UK, Cyrille Verdeaux's Clearlight Symphony, two 20+ minute slabs of methodically mutating genius that will take you to places you've never dreamed, Carpe Diem blending the Canterbury sound of Soft Machine & Camel with the more avant-garde leaning Zeuhl sounds of France. Ah, that old keyword "Zeuhl" which doesn't actually translate to, but might as well translate to "French people who were borderline acid casualties who made jazzy rock music weierder than anyone in America was even dreaming of"- i mean, this stuff probably had Zappa's jaw on the floor. And not in a quasi-obnoxious way like Beefheart, just in a straight up expressway to your skull.
Not sure when they came out, but Lard Free, Flamen Dialis, Univers Zero, Eskaton, ZAO, Weidorje, are some french bands who will push you over the edge and turn you into a fiend for this music.
Richard Pinhas & Heldon prefiguring the Disco Biscuits by about 20 years (but slacking behind Kraftwerk & Tangerine Dream in the dance synths plus guitar decathalon, Heldon is still super bad and will get your brain racing your feet) Shylock and Skyrvania have some spectacular riffs and an amateur feel thats super ingratiating.
And then there's Magma. The creators of Zeuhl and one of the most singularly original bands in the history of music. Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh is a safe bet for being an album that makes you say "I have never heard anything like this. And I love it" - simultaneously dissonant, choral, improvisational and highly composed. ooh. wee!
So yeah.. I just kinda wanted to come in here and throw out a massive list of bands that one could dip into if they ever feel like shifting away from the jambands for a minute and trying out some new old music that was bursting with creativity at the same time as the Dead. Imagining the Dead in Europe going from town to town and absorbing all this insane music is so fun.
I've long been concerned that Deadheads can get a little myopic with their favorite groups. So myhope is that everyone who reads this decides to randomly check out at least one album on here and has their mind blown to smithereens. i'm talking smoking crater. Poor prog rock got a terrible reputation from its most popular groups pomposity and elitism. This post tries to illuminate the other side of the coin, weird nerds wearing dresses and warpaint but also turning classical, jazz, rock, funk and avant garde into a potent concoction.
Subject: Too Many Dongs
Subject: Official Release
Subject: 5 star show
Subject: holy dark star
Subject: great, but there are better 72's out there.
Subject: dark star
Subject: classic show
Subject: A Momentous Date
Subject: Free for family and friends
Subject: dark star video
Subject: Best Show Ever!
Jerry and the band are on fire from the start and never let up! Empire Wembley Pool 4/8/72 is great, there are lots of great shows on the Europe '72 tour, but this beats them all flat.
I have nearly 200 shows and this one stands out in my collection as the one I come back to over and over again.
Best ever or top 5 versions of a LOT of songs:
Best ever Playing (IMO), Best ever Mexicali Blues (no doubt), Best ever Rider, Monster top-5 Dark Star that is lyrical and deep and richly played. Great versions of virtually everything else they played at that time.
If you haven't heard this give it a listen! If you have, you know what I'm talking about.
Subject: iPod request
BTW - This show is sick! I love summer/fall 1972!
Subject: so far, so good
All three are very good renditions, particularly the bird song.. that jam is off the chain people! I think i struck gold with that one.
Not rating this because I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but 5 stars for what I've heard so far! the sound quality is pretty solid for the time period, too.
wish i knew how to get this onto my ipod.. o well, can't wait to hear the rest tomorrow!
Subject: Dark Star>
But damn this show is amazing! I would highly recommend for any Head that has the time to go and check out the random "Sunshine Daydream" clips filmed on this day (they're all over Youtube) to give you an even better context of the "set and setting" of this show. Such a fantastic display of what this band was all about.
I mean when was the last time you went to a concert and saw kids dancing around in their diapers while their parents grooved to some of the greatest music ever created?
This was a good time to be alive.
Subject: Veneta '72
Subject: Tell the folks back home, this is the Promised Land...
If nothing else, you'll be hard pressed to find a finer "Playin'", even more so to find a show with such a caliber "Dark Star" too!
The festivities were filmed, too, by Kesey & his crew. Unfortunately it doesn't look like they ever released it commercially, though you can find clips online. If anyone has any knowledge of how to get a copy (seeding or uploaded) I'd be extremely Grateful!
Peace, enjoy the show.
Subject: best of the soundboard sources on here
Surprising... usually the newer soundboard SDB sources end up being the better ones.
Subject: #1 Show from '72!
This China/Rider is sooo great i just can't stop listening to it sometimes. bobby's rhythm jam is perfect and then jerry just takes off in the last 2 minutes or so...really unique and exciting stuff...the seuge into rider is so sweet.
Bird Song is hands down, without question the most incredible version ever imho. i don't know if i've ever heard sweeter sounds come out jerry's guitar. just listen to it it's f-ing perfect.
Playin' is also my favorite ever just because of it's sheer energy. starts so and spacy and then garcia just SHREADS! keith is no slouch in this one either. anyone who doubts him should check this out. the band takes off so high you think they might not come back and then...
Dark Star...i dont know if this is my favorite one, but if it isn't i can't really say what is. the last half especially just sucks me in every time. phil starts doing some nasty stuff round the 20:00 mark and then keith and jerry lead them into the rabbit hole. the segue into el paso is so fluid too, it's just beyond words.
I've said WAY too much already. this show gets a lot of hype but it is well deserved, more so than cornell i think. just get it!!!
Subject: Re: Clover leaf town???
Can anyone correct me? Does anyone have any notes on that? I know it's different than the alternate lyrics sung in 1990.
Just wondering if I'm the only one that wonders about that.
*****As for the show itself, IMHO this is certainly a top ten GD performance, almost perfect all the way through, 5 starts for sure. Great song selection, Keith rips on an unbelievable 'Playin' In The Band,' Jerry being Jerry : ), Phil and Billy keep things very tight all day and night long. I love this show very much, I never tire of it. The China > Ryder is nice and smooth.
I understand how some would have liked to hear a 'Dew' come out of 'Dark Star.' It seemed that's where the band was going as you hear Phil's pre-dew distorted bass, and even the intro licks by Jerry. But then Bobby (and Billy) take a sharp turn as they quickly head in a completely different direction. I really don't mind the 'El Paso' as I tend to dig the odd combos when they come and really shows the bands versatility and ability to improvise.
My only real dissatisfaction with the show is the encore. I'm unhappy with Jerry's choice of 'Casey Jones' and feel Bobby's 'One More Saturday Night' is was too predictable...oh well...can I imagine???...brokedown, black peter, ripple, dire wolf...???
Subject: Seeking Sunshine Daydream video/dvd
Subject: Holy Cow
Subject: What it was all about
Subject: Unsung Gem
Subject: What it's really all about!
10 stars for sound, another 10 for the show and 10 more for the laughs in between! Guess that rounds to 5 stars...
Subject: This is what it is all about
Listen to the little run that introduces the solo in Bertha. You can tell that Jerry was feeling it this night.
The sound quality is fantastic.
Subject: Can't Download
Any thoughts anyone?
Subject: I can not download this show , why?
Subject: Two words
Subject: let Phil sing!!
Phil sounds GREAT...The Crosby Stills & Nash influence is evident...too bad Phil got those nasty throat nodes... Bobby's nice Rhythm Guitar is out front...(pre Healy days?!) Thank You Betty!
Subject: Can anyone question the greatness
The SBD recording, it being a Betty board, is fabulous as usual. You are not going to believe this show when you play it through a good set of speakers and a subwoofer. Or better yet, try and find a pirated copy of the Sunshine Daydream movie. Perfection.
Subject: Toooo goood
Jerry, of course, is on fire throughout, but I can't say enough about the drums- I am listening to Sugar Mag right now and the pounding all fierce just too much to bear. I am going to follow the advice of another reviewer and crank this one start to finish and just relish the joy!
Subject: Unquestionable Greatness!
Subject: One of the Greatest
Subject: One of top 5 Shows of All Time
Subject: Missing The Magnitude
Subject: Best Playin' Ever
Subject: certified dankness
Subject: promise's broken
Subject: This IS the one
and the show was a fun as hell show.
you aren't going to find a better version of a rarer show than this.
YOU listen to it and tell me I'm wrong.
Subject: stage banter included
Subject: Don't Forget...
Subject: Day break on the land
Subject: This is the ONE!!
There has been plenty written about this show. John Dwork wrote an excellent review in DDN and the Deadhead's Taping Compendium. All that you have heard about this show is true. This represents the Dead's greatest triumph. The music is played at an unmatched level of intensity, Particularly the China Cat>Rider (A rollicking goodtime) the Playing (absolutly breathtaking)and the Dark Star( a mind boggling musical journey)! 1972 was a excellant year for the Dead, there are dozens of hot shows, and unbelievable Dark Stars, Playings, Other Ones ect.. But this show stands out above all others. D/L it and savor it!!! You will not be disappointed!!
Subject: This is it!!!
Subject: best to get the version with the banter